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Hi, I'm Fred. Please leave a message below.
If I left you a message on your talk page, please reply there as I like to keep a conversation in one place.

Hey, guess who's come to drop by? if you need something to do on South Park Wiki, I could most certainly have some help with templates (I see you can design them, based on what I saw here) & maybe even a Monobook design (wiki's default skin is Monobook). I'm not very good at making either, but the former is more important. :/ You don't have to, but I would like help. I'll end here and leave the rest up to you. I definitely don't want to sound annoying.

And thanks for the wiki logo. It's now in the top-right corner of the wiki. And this is a nice wiki, by the way. I'm not a MacFarlane expert, but this should really help to promote ShoutWiki and give users a good Family Guy Wiki alternative (now with American Dad included). :)

Best of luck! Gazlene the Pork Girl (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Gaz. You're welcome for the logo. I can help with the templates; however, I am not very good at making skin/layout designs... :P And it is okay I am not a South Park expert probably watched only a few full episodes. --Fred (talk) 00:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
That's okay. The templates more important to me (and come to think of it, the current Monobook skin design is okay). You don't really need knowledge too much knowledge on South Park for designing templates of it. Flash sites were designed by people who had limited information on the subject all of the time.
Also, I previously noticed that the wiki was called "Macfarlanepedia" and the wiki logo said "WikiMacFarlane". I like the latter title more and am glad that someone (probably Cook) changed it to the latter. I was about to address that issue. Gazlene the Pork Girl (talk) 10:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the wiki's founder just randomly called it that and we eventually decided on "WikiMacFarlane" and it was changed, thanks to Cook. :) --Fred (talk) 10:31, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Developing Wikis are Hard[edit]

Hi Fred, I am having issues gaining the motivation of editing South Park Wiki, usually because I feel rushed every time I make an article. That, and I've been busy with other stuff. It also bothers me when articles have to start out basic, like with one/two sentences. While copy-pasting articles with permission seems ideal, MakeShift's still right about how copyright feels morally wrong (and I still feel that way even when redeveloping the wiki into a different style).

Do you have any advice on how to start off with new wikis like South Park Wiki? I hope this message didn't sound too unclear. Gazlene the Pork Girl (talk) 04:04, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I understand, I can't tell you unfortunately as this is basically the first I've started a wiki. Sorry. --Fred (talk) 13:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Been About 2 Years[edit]

Hi Fred, it's been like two years since I last talked to you. I'm Gazlene the Pork Girl, and I changed my username here because I wanted a different username--the staff here is ok with that.
I remember starting a forked South Park Wiki a while back and then abandoned it in like March. Recently I've been getting into wikis again and self-forked wikis to ShoutWiki because I feel like it's time to move some wikis from Wikia to here. The CC-BY-SA license allows for copying but I still try and change the content as much as possible--it's just easier to work with the content if it's been moved over to another wiki, if this makes sense. I think I want to do South Park Wikia now as well because I feel like the Wikia one is filled with 13-14 year old editors, and for a 15+/17+ show itself, which I find illogical. Castaway2000 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Hey Gaz, or Castaway, I have only edited this wiki in small doses over the past 2 years when I began it. I can fully agree with your sentiments about Wikia, and South Park Wikia in particular. I personally would not be against having this wiki being hosted on Wikia (though I hate the default skin, but I really like ShoutWiki and have never had issues with it. Besides, there is a Family Guy Wikia—although its head admin (and only active contributor) is against the wiki editing community, going as as far as blocking users for simple mistakes. Also, I personally wouldn't advise on copying content over from other wikis. It is, of course, up to you 100 percent as you did found the wiki. Good luck. —Fred (talk) 05:44, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree on the whole copying mindset and is a debatable subject--it's just that Wika is known to have formatting issues and be messy, mostly due to the WYSIWYG editor & young contributors (since many have left Wikia); it's easier for me to rewrite than to write from scratch. Oh yeah, Buckimion, right? I remember you guys chatted about him on Wikisimpsons IRC. Also, did you only edit in small doses because of the whole "writing from scratch" statement I made?
For example about forked wikis and changing them, I have self-moved Green Day Wikia to ShoutWiki, and you can already notice quite a big difference with the articles by now. The original was mostly just lyric pages anyway. Castaway2000 (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Very nice work with the Green Day Wiki. Though I can see where you're coming from with your previous statement about copying the content. The only real reason I have this "anti-copying" agenda is because articles I have written and taken a great amount of time to write on Wikimpsons have been copied by the Simpsons Wikia without even a simple "Credit to Wikisimpsons", etc. Also, the fact that the Family Guy and South Park Wikis are both based on television shows that have aired since the 1990s makes it very difficult to just create, as you said, from scratch considering the basis of it. I really want to make something of this wiki; however, I don't have enough time to edit this wiki as of right now nor does it have the appropriate amount of users to edit on here. Of course, it'll be a great task but it can be done. Thanks. —Fred (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment about Green Day Wiki. If you want to edit there too, feel free to; I know they appeared at the start of Simpsons Movie, so you may have the right info on that (I haven't watched that movie). If you can design better templates, I'd appreciate that as well. Your choice, really. :)
Yeah, the original community forked from Simpsons Wikia, so copying from the fork defeats the whole purpose--they're meant to be separate. I just think taking anything off Wikia (and rewriting it, which usually has to be done given Wikia is a mess) is doing the content a favor. :P Castaway2000 (talk) 20:36, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't know if I told you this already but Cook finally managed to import South Park Archives' content to South Park Wiki. A lot of the wiki is already a mess, such as the categorization and everything. I'm trying to capture it in the Wikisimpsons style--what do you think about that? It's also because I envision an Animated Sitcom Wiki Alliance some day. Castaway2000 (talk) 19:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
I'd happily help on either wikis soon. I've got some spare time for the next two weeks. —Fred (talk) 04:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for willing to help. :) South Park Wiki is already starting to look unique, minus the articles, which still need to be rewrote in Wikisimpsons-style (and image categorization, I believe). I've deleted over 30,000 junk articles, like Board Thread:, User blog: crap and all. That's what I've mainly been doing, because there's a lot of import junk left over. Castaway2000 (talk) 05:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Streamlining categories[edit]

Hey man, it's been a while! I was thinking, when it comes to categories, what do you reckon of having categories along the lines of "Images from EPISODE" and "Images of CHARACTER", rather than how it's currently done? It eliminates the risk of potentially doubling up, if it were to ever happen. And also, I was thinking perhaps creating a category for every character in an image, rather just the 'important' ones, as it stands to reason that we can better sort things that way. Will k (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Will! <3 Yeah sounds good, I was thinking of something along those lines earlier when I was editing in December. Thanks. —Fred (talk) 04:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)